Ray Hayes Part 8

Today on John Dash and Friends, John sits down with his friend Ray Hayes—a young voice with remarkable wisdom and genuine kindness. In this heartfelt conversation, Ray shares powerful life lessons that challenge, uplift, and inspire. More than just a talk, this episode is a meaningful moment you won’t forget. Tune in and let it speak to you.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

In in a point. But when I think about God the Father, like you're touching on that relationship of a father, how I don't know. I I just really I believe this, and I've had a couple of my buddies say that's crazy. But I worked with a lot of old hippies talking about the good man upstairs.

SPEAKER_01 0:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:17

You know, and and I listened to them talk. I think there'll be people in heaven that didn't know they were going to go.

SPEAKER_02 0:22

I I believe the same.

SPEAKER_00 0:23

Okay? I do. I really believe it's going to be people gonna be caught off guard. Yeah. Because the Bible said there'll be teaching and training in heaven. I believe some people don't even won't even know. Yeah. Okay. Um and then I also believe this. I believe there's some people that uh he said, My sheep know my voice and a stranger that my follower.

SPEAKER_01 0:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:43

I believe there's some people that don't belong to him. He died for all.

SPEAKER_01 0:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:46

And I've had a buddy to argue with me about that. Oh, bless God. I think I said, well, go ahead. But I've seen, I've seen in church we try to make some people believers. We try to make them we can't understand why they can't follow Christ. And I listen to people, and you know, we all watch stuff on the internet, but I watch people talk to people that people there are street evangels and things, and got people that just, you know, completely, it's like they're just talking to a blank wall. Yeah. But then sometimes there's people that just hear the voice. Yeah, hear the voice attached. But I mean, what do you think about that?

SPEAKER_02 1:18

Well, um, yeah, I mean, now now we'd get into some theology that you and I could either agree or disagree, or even the listeners agree or disagree, and I'm not one for a conflict much. I've got my my beliefs. But I've been studying the the parables.

SPEAKER_01 1:32

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:33

And um, and you know, they they ask Jesus, why do you speak in parables? And he he says, To you it's been given to know the kingdom, but not to them. So I speak in parables. Now that could be very scary because it could mean you get to know, but you don't. Okay? How I'm studying it, and this is just me, I wouldn't argue it with you, but this is my my belief. You you grab a 19-year-old boy up, jerk him up from the front row of the pew, and tell him he needs to get his life straight and live for Jesus and that type thing, if that boy's not receptive, he's liable to kick your butt and then leave the church, right? Right. But what if you told a story of a boy who left home and did it his way and ended up in the hog pen of life?

SPEAKER_01 2:27

Right.

SPEAKER_02 2:28

And then that hog pin remembers I can come back home.

SPEAKER_01 2:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:33

So rather than jerk that 19-year-old up who's not been given the kingdom of God just yet, Jesus tells a story. So that young man goes off and ends up in a hog pen somewhere, and guess what he remembers? That story that that Jewish rabbi told, that I could come home.

SPEAKER_01 2:53

Right.

SPEAKER_02 2:53

He said, The kingdom of God means I can come home. And so at that point, because of the parable, because Jesus didn't jerk him up when he wasn't ready, he didn't have the receptivity or the capacity for the kingdom of heaven, he told him a story and let him go.

SPEAKER_00 3:11

Makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 3:12

And then when he remembers that story, he can come home.

SPEAKER_00 3:16

Well, I shared this. I asked, and I've asked Lawrence helped me a lot with this, and Barry did too. I said, let me ask y'all a question. I said, a lot of this counseling going on nowadays. Counseling on everything. Okay, you come to church and we got all these classes, all this stuff, we got a counsel on, counsel on, counsel on, counsel on. I said, we didn't have it when I was a boy. First thing catched the devil out of you, knowing you with old till you gave up. Okay. And I said, What's the deal with you guys? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 3:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:48

I mean, why are you why are you having to do all this? We I I I didn't know men's group. Okay, we did have breakfast every once in a while. I said, well, we're no big men's group. We didn't hot dog sale and donuts, but so this is what they said, and they helped me with it. They said, John, we're dealing with a generation that don't have the foundation. You know, I mean, I've been in church since I was a boy. Yeah I had the foundation.